Rona - Revision history

Larry: More minor edits

2021-09-10T19:14:06Z

More minor edits

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	wrote the poem on the spot while still in custody.<ref>From the "Criticisms" [https://ar.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=%D8%AD%D8%B3%D9%86_%D8%A3%D8%A8%D9%88_%D8%B9%D8%AA%D9%85%D8%A7%D9%86&section=3#%D8%A7%D9%84%D9%87%D8%AC%D9%88%D9%85_%D8%B9%D9%84%D9%8A%D9%87 section] of Abu 'Atman's [https://ar.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D8%AD%D8%B3%D9%86_%D8%A3%D8%A8%D9%88_%D8%B9%D8%AA%D9%85%D8%A7%D9%86 Wikipedia article].</ref>		wrote the poem on the spot while still in custody.<ref>From the "Criticisms" [https://ar.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=%D8%AD%D8%B3%D9%86_%D8%A3%D8%A8%D9%88_%D8%B9%D8%AA%D9%85%D8%A7%D9%86&section=3#%D8%A7%D9%84%D9%87%D8%AC%D9%88%D9%85_%D8%B9%D9%84%D9%8A%D9%87 section] of Abu 'Atman's [https://ar.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D8%AD%D8%B3%D9%86_%D8%A3%D8%A8%D9%88_%D8%B9%D8%AA%D9%85%D8%A7%D9%86 Wikipedia article].</ref>

	The poem portrays the world's congestion and the feelings that crowds		The poem was set to music by [https://arz.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D9%87%D8%A7%D9%86%D9%89_%D8%B4%D9%86%D9%88%D8%AF%D9%87 Hany Shenouda] and performed by [https://arz.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D8%A7%D8%AD%D9%85%D8%AF_%D8%B9%D8%AF%D9%88%D9%8A%D9%87 Ahmad ‘Adaweya] on album [https://music.apple.com/us/album/zahma/850287386?i=850287464 Zahma] released in 1980.
			It portrays the world's congestion and the feelings that crowds
	engender in the poet. A sample from the musical setting, rather literally		engender in the poet. A sample from the musical setting, rather literally
	translated:		translated:
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	::::Everywhere I go there’s a crowd.		::::Everywhere I go there’s a crowd.
	</poem>		</poem>

	The poem was set to music by [https://arz.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D9%87%D8%A7%D9%86%D9%89_%D8%B4%D9%86%D9%88%D8%AF%D9%87 Hany Shenouda] and performed by [https://arz.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D8%A7%D8%AD%D9%85%D8%AF_%D8%B9%D8%AF%D9%88%D9%8A%D9%87 Ahmad ‘Adaweya] on album [https://music.apple.com/us/album/zahma/850287386?i=850287464 Zahma] released in 1980.

	==== Hebrew ====		==== Hebrew ====
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	</poem>		</poem>

	(Compare with the final four lines of the Arabic version ~~above~~.)		(Compare with the final four lines of the Arabic version.)

	This version was popularized by		This version was popularized by

Larry: minor edits

2021-09-10T19:05:28Z

minor edits

Larry: clarify some wording

2021-06-25T01:37:06Z

clarify some wording

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	misremembers or the interviewer made a mistake. It also seems puzzling that		misremembers or the interviewer made a mistake. It also seems puzzling that
	Shenouda would have waited to sue Alabina rather than Shukri/Avitan, though this might		Shenouda would have waited to sue Alabina rather than Shukri/Avitan, though this might
	be explained by the fact that ~~credits for Rona on~~ the Alabina album ~~do not mention~~		be explained by the fact that the Alabina album credits the band for the melody, with no mention
	~~Shenouda at all, but give credit~~ for the melody ~~to members~~ of ~~the band~~.		of Shenouda.

	==== Other ====		==== Other ====

Larry: link to full translation

2020-10-17T10:42:26Z

link to full translation

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	The original song, [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=djqFU71juWM performed] by 'Adaweyah		The original song, [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=djqFU71juWM performed] by 'Adaweyah

	The [https://arz.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D8%B2%D8%AD%D9%85%D8%A9_%D9%8A%D8%A7_%D8%AF%D9%86%D9%8A%D8%A7 lyrics] of the original song (Arabic)		The [https://arz.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D8%B2%D8%AD%D9%85%D8%A9_%D9%8A%D8%A7_%D8%AF%D9%86%D9%8A%D8%A7 lyrics] of the original song (Arabic) and a more complete [https://www.allthelyrics.com/forum/showthread.php?t=38164?t=38164#post388918 translation]

	[https://shironet.mako.co.il/artist?type=lyrics&lang=1&prfid=1915&wrkid=5957 Lyrics] to Avitan's Hebrew version, in Hebrew (the tune is credited to "folk")		[https://shironet.mako.co.il/artist?type=lyrics&lang=1&prfid=1915&wrkid=5957 Lyrics] to Avitan's Hebrew version, in Hebrew (the tune is credited to "folk")

Larry: Shenouda vs Shanouda

2020-09-19T04:27:11Z

Shenouda vs Shanouda

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	</poem>		</poem>

	The poem was set to music by [https://arz.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D9%87%D8%A7%D9%86%D9%89_%D8%B4%D9%86%D9%88%D8%AF%D9%87 Hany ~~Shanouda~~] and performed by [https://arz.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D8%A7%D8%AD%D9%85%D8%AF_%D8%B9%D8%AF%D9%88%D9%8A%D9%87 Ahmad ‘Adaweya] on album [https://music.apple.com/us/album/zahma/850287386?i=850287464 Zahma] released in 1980.		The poem was set to music by [https://arz.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D9%87%D8%A7%D9%86%D9%89_%D8%B4%D9%86%D9%88%D8%AF%D9%87 Hany Shenouda] and performed by [https://arz.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D8%A7%D8%AD%D9%85%D8%AF_%D8%B9%D8%AF%D9%88%D9%8A%D9%87 Ahmad ‘Adaweya] on album [https://music.apple.com/us/album/zahma/850287386?i=850287464 Zahma] released in 1980.

	==== Hebrew ====		==== Hebrew ====
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	song to Rona, more elaborate than the Hebrew.		song to Rona, more elaborate than the Hebrew.

	A 2020 interview with Hany ~~Shanouda~~ contains this paragraph:		A 2020 interview with Hany Shenouda contains this paragraph:
	<blockquote>		<blockquote>
	Shenouda confirmed that the distinctive melody of the song “What a Crowded		Shenouda confirmed that the distinctive melody of the song “What a Crowded

Larry: Minor improvements

2020-07-31T18:41:05Z

Minor improvements

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	Hebrew: רונה (girl's name). Circle dance by [[Sefi Aviv]], 1987.		Hebrew: רונה (girl's name). Circle dance by [[Sefi Aviv]], 1987.
	__NOTOC__		__NOTOC__
			We consider the music and the dance separately.

	== The Music ==		== The Music ==

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	::::It’s like being at a saint’s festival<ref>That is, very ''very'' crowded. Abu 'Atman was a Egyptian [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Copts Copt].</ref>, but without any saint.		::::It’s like being at a saint’s festival<ref>That is, very ''very'' crowded. Abu 'Atman was a Egyptian [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Copts Copt].</ref>, but without any saint.

	::::I come from here (~~zahma [~~crowded])		::::I come from here (crowded)
	::::I go there (~~zahma~~)		::::I go there (crowded)
	::::Here and there (~~zahma~~)		::::Here and there (crowded)
	::::Everywhere I go there’s a crowd.		::::Everywhere I go there’s a crowd.
	</poem>		</poem>
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	::::Returning to there (Rona)		::::Returning to there (Rona)
	::::From there to here (Rona)		::::From there to here (Rona)
	::::My Rona, you are Rona.		::::Rona, you are mine, Rona.
	</poem>		</poem>

Larry: speculation on alabina lawsuit

2020-06-18T02:29:10Z

speculation on alabina lawsuit

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	</ref> It may be that Shenouda actually sued Alabina and either he		</ref> It may be that Shenouda actually sued Alabina and either he
	misremembers or the interviewer made a mistake. It also seems puzzling that		misremembers or the interviewer made a mistake. It also seems puzzling that
	Shenouda would have waited to sue Alabina rather than Shukri/Avitan, though		Shenouda would have waited to sue Alabina rather than Shukri/Avitan, though this might
	~~perhaps~~ Rona ~~received much wider play only after being adapted by~~ Alabina.		be explained by the fact that credits for Rona on the Alabina album do not mention
	~~Or possibly there was never any lawsuit~~ at all.		Shenouda at all, but give credit for the melody to members of the band.

	==== Other ====		==== Other ====

Larry: Alabina version; Gipsy Kings cover Rona?; minor edits

2020-06-13T17:14:33Z

Alabina version; Gipsy Kings cover Rona?; minor edits

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	the [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gipsy_Kings Gipsy Kings], though both		the [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gipsy_Kings Gipsy Kings], though both
	groups are French and sing in Spanish, and Rona is certainly not the song		groups are French and sing in Spanish, and Rona is certainly not the song
	of the latter. It may be that Shenouda actually sued Alabina and either he		of the latter.<ref>This conflation of the Gipsy Kings with Alabina happens
			in other places too. It may be that the Gipsy Kings themselves did at some point
			cover Rona, adding to the confusion.
			</ref> It may be that Shenouda actually sued Alabina and either he
	misremembers or the interviewer made a mistake. It also seems puzzling that		misremembers or the interviewer made a mistake. It also seems puzzling that
	Shenouda would have waited to sue Alabina rather than Shukri/Avitan, though		Shenouda would have waited to sue Alabina rather than Shukri/Avitan, though
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	wanted a change. Sefi then altered the first part to a box step with pivot		wanted a change. Sefi then altered the first part to a box step with pivot
	turn. He is on record<ref>Video-in-Motion Productions tape 26 dance 16.</ref>		turn. He is on record<ref>Video-in-Motion Productions tape 26 dance 16.</ref>
	with this story, ~~and saying that~~ people ~~should~~		with this story, asking people to
	do the new version starting with the box step.		do the new version starting with the box step.

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	Samir Shukri [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ht6TR4wtrCE performing] the Arabic version		Samir Shukri [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ht6TR4wtrCE performing] the Arabic version

	Samir Shukri [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=myUjO9j8bXQ performing] the Hebrew version with his daughter as prop		Samir Shukri [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=myUjO9j8bXQ performing] the Hebrew version, with his daughter as prop

			Alabina [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y-YS6uLWIM8 performing] the Spanish/Arabic version

	The 2020 parody [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uVnIZziH7H4 Corona]		The 2020 parody [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uVnIZziH7H4 Corona]

Larry: Add to Eponymous Dances

2020-06-13T16:58:51Z

Add to Eponymous Dances

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	{{AussieRokdim\|41\|5abd2390db533242358b4ed5}} (Updated, "official" version)		{{AussieRokdim\|41\|5abd2390db533242358b4ed5}} (Updated, "official" version)

	{{Dancelists\|[[Original Music]]}}		{{Dancelists\|[[Eponymous Dances]] {{·}}  [[Original Music]]}}

	[[Category:Dances]]		[[Category:Dances]]

Larry: Dance lists; minor edits

2020-06-12T02:13:46Z

Dance lists; minor edits

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	The 2020 parody [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uVnIZziH7H4 Corona]		The 2020 parody [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uVnIZziH7H4 Corona]

	~~USA~~ version, as danced in [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LYenlgvwbMo New Jersey] and [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3jdVwrCRZ1k Japan]		Original version, as danced in [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LYenlgvwbMo New Jersey] and [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3jdVwrCRZ1k Japan]

	{{AussieRokdim\|41\|5abd2390db533242358b4ed5}} (~~Israeli~~ version)		{{AussieRokdim\|41\|5abd2390db533242358b4ed5}} (Updated, "official" version)

			{{Dancelists\|[[Original Music]]}}

	[[Category:Dances]]		[[Category:Dances]]

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	The original song is named Zahma Ya Dunya Zahma (Arabic: زحمة يا دنيا زحمة,		The original song is named Zahma Ya Dunya Zahma (Arabic: زحمة يا دنيا زحمة,
	sometimes just "Zahma"). This is literally "Crowded, O World, So Crowded"		sometimes just "Zahma"). This is literally "Crowded, O World, Crowded"
	and more idiomatically, "What a Crowded World".		and more idiomatically, "What a Crowded World".

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	</poem>		</poem>

	Compare with the final four lines of the Arabic version above.		(Compare with the final four lines of the Arabic version above.)

	This version was popularized by		This version was popularized by
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	groups are French and sing in Spanish, and Rona is certainly not the song		groups are French and sing in Spanish, and Rona is certainly not the song
	of the latter.<ref>This conflation of the Gipsy Kings with Alabina happens		of the latter.<ref>This conflation of the Gipsy Kings with Alabina happens
	in other places too. ~~It may be that~~ the Gipsy Kings themselves did at some point		in other places too. Perhaps the Gipsy Kings themselves did at some point
	cover Rona, adding to the confusion.		cover Rona, adding to the confusion?
	</ref> It may be that Shenouda actually sued Alabina and either he		</ref> It may be that Shenouda actually sued Alabina and either he
	misremembers or the interviewer made a mistake. It also seems puzzling that		misremembers or the interviewer made a mistake. It also seems puzzling that
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	In 2020, Ron Shalom wrote כל העולם קורונה ("All the World Corona") a parody		In 2020, Ron Shalom wrote כל העולם קורונה ("All the World Corona") a parody
	in response to the Coronavirus pandemic. The credits say that the melody is		in response to the Coronavirus pandemic. The credits say that the melody is
	"עממי", that is, "folk".~~<ref>~~A comment at the YouTube site states that		"עממי", that is, "folk". A comment at the YouTube site states that
	"עממי" must translate as "we don't know and we're too lazy to find out".~~</ref>~~		"עממי" must translate as "we don't know and we're too lazy to find out".

	== The Dance ==		== The Dance ==